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Open Thread

by Todd Beeton, Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:02:49 AM EST

Bill and Hillary Clinton went to bat for Barack and Joe today in Scranton, PA. The first video is a mash-up of Hillary's speech introducing Joe and a bit of Joe's. Watch it:

I have to say, I love that here we are in October and the rhetoric is as partisan as though it were primary season. This year the Democrats have learned the virtues of turning out the base, not running for the mushy middle and obscuring the differences between the two parties in hopes they'll be acceptable to the most people.

About freakin time.

This exchange on This Week today addressed this most welcome 2008 election phenomenon:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Both candidates ended up running some version of a turn out the base election. It just so happens that this year the Democratic base is much bigger than the Republican base.

GEORGE WILL: The Republicans do that because it's what they know how to do; the Democrats do it now because it's in their advantage.

PAUL KRUGMAN: I was critical of Obama early on for this notion that we were going to be bi-partisan, it wasn't going to happen...

STEPHANOPOULOS: You wanted a base election...

KRUGMAN: ...and here it is.

This next video is Hillary giving what is becoming the line of her stump speech:

What else is going on?

Tags: open thread, hillary clinton (all tags)

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yay for hillary. (none / 0)

was at the madonna concert and she had a video up that showed "bad" people (hitler, kim jong il, etc) and it had a clip of huckabee and mccain.

then there were the "good" people (mother theresa ghandi etc) and a clip of Obama.

it was good

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:17:44 AM EST

Re: yay for hillary. (none / 0)

Huckabee? There's far worse Republicans than Mike Huckabee. Sam Brownback, for instance.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:51:12 AM EST
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Re: yay for hillary. (2.00 / 4)

There is a real problem with anyone who compares McCain to hitler or kim jong. Bad is relative and Madonna is not, as usual, helping anyone but herself.

Nor is it particularly valuable to put Obama up there with Ghandi right now.

The whole thing is self indulgent and sort of nauseating.

Good and bad is relative. A bad U.S. candidate compared to hitler. I don't think so. That is just as much rabble rousing as the crap that has been going on in McCain's and Palin's appearances.

by mady on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:59:47 AM EST
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not a big fan of this kind of thing (2.00 / 3)

Hitler comparisons are over the top. Plus "Madonna calls McCain Hitler, Obama Gandhi" is not really good politics for us. Dem celebrities are so tone-deaf sometimes. I cringe when Alec Baldwin starts talking politics. Fortunately nobody cares about this kind of thing this year.

by JJE on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 02:03:07 AM EST
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Re: not a big fan of this kind of thing (2.00 / 2)

Once you wear a gigantic pointy bra in public, your ability to give respected political commentary becomes somewhat diminished.

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 02:08:06 AM EST
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people relax a bit (none / 0)

it was just commentary by a pop artist. It played well with a LIBERAL NYC CROWD.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 10:50:38 AM EST
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Re: yay for hillary. (none / 0)

just for clarity on my comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3Id7riT WM

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:20:17 PM EST
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lol (none / 0)

For a second I thought she said "America will rise from the asses and the bushes"

I had myself a little giggle.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:18:31 AM EST

Heh (2.00 / 2)

I like how "a Democratic president" has replaced "a Clinton" in that line. Few politicians can pivot as smoothly as Hillary.

by JJE on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:59:53 AM EST

Re: Heh (none / 0)

It's brilliant!

Well done Hillary. She certainly has come out of this a very popular politician.

She's doing very well for Obama and the Democratic party. Good on her!

by carrieboberry on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 12:18:02 PM EST
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Remember when Obama said (2.00 / 0)

that when Reagan was elected the Republican Party was the party of ideas? And then he said that if the Democratic Party wants to win elections, they need to be the party of ideas.

While McCain is lurching from one attack to another, one tactic to another, Obama's campaign has presented his ideas for the direction of the country. Obama has not waivered once in his overall message. He has been demonstrating he is the candidate who has the ideas. Lately I've noticed a subtle expansion of that message to include the entire Democratic Party as the party of ideas.

I think it's working.

That One is the Right One for 2008.

by GFORD on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 06:08:50 AM EST

Democrats have always been the party of ideas (2.00 / 1)

Republicans have been the party of bad ideas and Reagan was just a very effective snake oil salesman.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:12:19 AM EST
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"ashes of the Bushes", hmm... (none / 0)

Is there a hidden message for Christian Rethuglicans in it? I mean, the burning bush is a well known story in the bible, describing the moment God ordered Mose to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. But the bush where God's words came from wasn't consumed by the flames, of course. So, does "the ashes of the bushes" mean that right wing Christians fell for a false prophecy? This would make sense...

Well, I guess it's only a coincidence, but if those bible thumbing conservatives see a subtle message in it, this can't hurt.

No way, no how, no McCain!

by Gray on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 07:06:20 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

More Good news for Ms Obama

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.c fm?id=218215&freebie_check&CFID= 101601524&CFTOKEN=38728575&jsess ionid=88302f74e98de7c7f617

by Plinio on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:03:25 AM EST

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